[Wyewood] Wyewood Digest, Vol 92, Issue 14
bscheltema
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Wed Aug 23 18:01:40 PDT 2017
In section 8 of the customary, am I missing a part that causes conflict with the champion having to run the tournament that is why said champion can't defend? I see in 8.3.1.c about assisting in coordinating the tourney and in 8.3.1.d I read must attend. But wouldn't assisting also mean "hey I found someone to run the tourney and they created the rules for said championship"? I saw it come up a couple time arguing for both sides yes or no. But maybe if we clarified what "assist" actually meant that would help when re-writing the customary. Again as in all branches it is up to their Excelincies.
Thank you for the help.
Martyn
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:53:46 -0700
From: Gwen MacAuslane <gwendolyn.mac at gmail.com>
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My answer would be yes, but with permission of Their Excellencies.
There would be a conflict as Rasmus pointed out, the current Champion
is supposed to be running the tournament, so how can they compete as
well? On the other hand, I've noticed that we don't have many in the
field, so allowing the Champion to fight again would be another
entrant. Maybe part of the condition to fight the second year is that
the Champion recruits at least one other fighter to compete in the
tournament. Finally, who's to say they will prevail the second year?
Gwen
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Alessandra da Montefeltro via Wyewood
<wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> wrote:
> To the People of Wyewood,
>
> We have been recently notified that one of our champions has so enjoyed
> their tenure that they wish to defend their position. After reviewing the
> Customary, we have determined that there is nothing clearly barring our
> Champions from doing so, we know that Wyewood has a tradition of not
> allowing Champions to succeed themselves.
>
> What say you?
>
> Please reply and tell us Yay (champions should be able to succeed
> themselves) or Nay (champions should wait until the next tournament), and
> Why.
>
> With our Champions event being this coming Saturday, we ask that any
> commentary be sent to us before Noon on Friday, August 25.
>
> In Service We Remain,
>
>
> Baron Evrard and Baroness Alessandra
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 07:25:47 -0700
From: "Shere'e" <shereerobinson at gmail.com>
To: Gwen MacAuslane <gwendolyn.mac at gmail.com>
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I agree with Rasmus as well. He stated it very clearly.
Miranda d'Gages
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Gwen MacAuslane via Wyewood <
wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> wrote:
> My answer would be yes, but with permission of Their Excellencies.
> There would be a conflict as Rasmus pointed out, the current Champion
> is supposed to be running the tournament, so how can they compete as
> well? On the other hand, I've noticed that we don't have many in the
> field, so allowing the Champion to fight again would be another
> entrant. Maybe part of the condition to fight the second year is that
> the Champion recruits at least one other fighter to compete in the
> tournament. Finally, who's to say they will prevail the second year?
>
> Gwen
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Alessandra da Montefeltro via Wyewood
> <wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> wrote:
> > To the People of Wyewood,
> >
> > We have been recently notified that one of our champions has so enjoyed
> > their tenure that they wish to defend their position. After reviewing
> the
> > Customary, we have determined that there is nothing clearly barring our
> > Champions from doing so, we know that Wyewood has a tradition of not
> > allowing Champions to succeed themselves.
> >
> > What say you?
> >
> > Please reply and tell us Yay (champions should be able to succeed
> > themselves) or Nay (champions should wait until the next tournament), and
> > Why.
> >
> > With our Champions event being this coming Saturday, we ask that any
> > commentary be sent to us before Noon on Friday, August 25.
> >
> > In Service We Remain,
> >
> >
> > Baron Evrard and Baroness Alessandra
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:12:35 -0700
From: Tanayle Haga <tanayle.haga at gmail.com>
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I agree that allowing champions to succeed themselves could be alright with
the permission of the Baronage, but I would stipulate that they can only
serve as champion twice before they must take a break. Another
consideration: champions set up and run their field of competition at the
event, and to do so while also competing can sometimes be a lot of work,
and can lead to the competition itself seeming less fair, or even just
sloppy. I've born witness to this effect in small shires and baronies, and
to the effect of having the same person being champion for years on end.
Stagnation sets in quickly.
I propose that if a champion wishes to compete the next year, they must
publicly seek and gain permission from the Baronage (because transparency
is our friend), *and* they must arrange for someone else to run the
competition, again with permission from the Baronage. Included in this
seeking permission is a statement of acknowledgement that they shall not
compete for championship in that field the following year.
Yours in Service,
HL Tabytha Morgan
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:36 PM, Alessandra da Montefeltro via Wyewood <
wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> wrote:
> To the People of Wyewood,
>
> We have been recently notified that one of our champions has so enjoyed
> their tenure that they wish to defend their position. After reviewing the
> Customary, we have determined that there is nothing clearly barring our
> Champions from doing so, we know that Wyewood has a tradition of not
> allowing Champions to succeed themselves.
>
> What say you?
>
> Please reply and tell us Yay (champions should be able to succeed
> themselves) or Nay (champions should wait until the next tournament), and
> Why.
>
> With our Champions event being this coming Saturday, we ask that any
> commentary be sent to us before Noon on Friday, August 25.
>
> In Service We Remain,
>
>
> Baron Evrard and Baroness Alessandra
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wyewood mailing list
> Wyewood at lists.wyewood.org
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>
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:35:45 -0700
From: Jeff Reed <ashnar at yahoo.com>
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I agree with Rasmus. However, i think that under unusual circumstances that current champion could compete to ensure that competion would happen and that proper selection could happen. Unusual circumstance may be similar to only one individual has entered the competion. Do we cancel competition and keep current champion, pass status to single entrant, or allow single entrant and champion to battle for glory?
?I would like to see competion to happen under such circumstances.?
Geoffrey
-------- Original message --------From: Alessandra da Montefeltro via Wyewood <wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> Date: 8/22/17 8:36 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Wyewood_eList <wyewood at lists.wyewood.org> Cc: Coronets-Wyewood <coronets at wyewood.org> Subject: [Wyewood] Input Requested from Our Populace - Reply requested by
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To the People of Wyewood,
We have been recently notified that one of our champions has so enjoyed
their tenure that they wish to defend their position.? After reviewing
the Customary, we have determined that there is nothing clearly barring
our Champions from doing so, we know that Wyewood has a tradition of not
allowing Champions to succeed themselves.
What say you?
Please reply and tell us Yay (champions should be able to succeed
themselves) or Nay (champions should wait until the next tournament),
and Why.
With our Champions event being this coming Saturday, we ask that any
commentary be sent to us before Noon on Friday, August 25.
In Service We Remain,
Baron Evrard and Baroness Alessandra
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 08:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: dragonfly at w-link.net
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I do not believe that Champion should be a position that is held for long
periods of time by a single individual. If the decision is made to allow
a champion to serve for more than one consecutive term, I feel that the
maximum number of possible consecutive terms needs to be specified.
Calote
dragonfly at w-link.net
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:31:06 -0700
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The customary says that the champion shall run the tournament to choose their successor and be present when their successor is invested. That wording seems to be clear that they cannot succeed themselves. If you run the tournament then you should not compete out of fairness.
If we want to change that for the future we need to change the customary.
I don't like the idea of champions succeeding themselves, but if our branch decides to allow that then I agree that we need clearly defined term limits.
YIS
Tymme "Prodkiller" Lytefelow
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I do not believe that Champion should be a position that is held for long
periods of time by a single individual. If the decision is made to allow
a champion to serve for more than one consecutive term, I feel that the
maximum number of possible consecutive terms needs to be specified.
Calote
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Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:12:03 -0700
From: "Ruslund Geyer" <ruslund at geyercomputers.com>
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At the time of the writing of the customary, this subject was brought up.
Many of us did not want champions to "defend" their championship because we
did not want someone having the opportunity to camp out and monopolize a
particular championship as had been seen in other Baronies. I have not
changed my opinion.
Also, it is suggested that they cannot repeat by the wording:
8.3.1.d) Assisting in coordinating a tournament to choose their successor.
8.3.1.e) Attending both the tournament to choose their successor and the
successor's investiture.
We haven't been at this as a Barony very long. It's not a surprise that we
don't have a lot of competitors in some fields. Give it a little more time.
Perhaps sweeten the pot a bit by comp'ing each champion's site fee for Feast
and the next Champion's event.
Avine
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From: Wyewood [mailto:wyewood-bounces at lists.wyewood.org] On Behalf Of
Alessandra da Montefeltro via Wyewood
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:37 PM
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Subject: [Wyewood] Input Requested from Our Populace - Reply requested by
noon Friday 8/25
Importance: High
To the People of Wyewood,
We have been recently notified that one of our champions has so enjoyed
their tenure that they wish to defend their position. After reviewing the
Customary, we have determined that there is nothing clearly barring our
Champions from doing so, we know that Wyewood has a tradition of not
allowing Champions to succeed themselves.
What say you?
Please reply and tell us Yay (champions should be able to succeed
themselves) or Nay (champions should wait until the next tournament), and
Why.
With our Champions event being this coming Saturday, we ask that any
commentary be sent to us before Noon on Friday, August 25.
In Service We Remain,
Baron Evrard and Baroness Alessandra
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